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Poster: John Quigley Date: Feb 18, 2010 1:53am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Where's 'I Eat Your Skin'

To be honest, I wouldn't call 'Gone with the Wind' great. Some of the Turkeys on here on the Archive are better than Gone with the Wind.

It's 3 and a half hours of Crying, grits, no nudity and *shudder*, Clark Gable.

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or Staffpicfixer Date: Feb 18, 2010 5:21am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Where's 'I Eat Your Skin'

I thoroughly agree that "GWTW" is far from being the greatest American film. It has a number of flaws, not the least of which are the screenplay's simplistic characterizations. But its greatest sins are the distorted images of an antebellum and postwar South populated by kindly masters and happy slaves, which were directly inherited from Mitchell's racist novel. Nevertheless it is soap opera on the grandest possible scale, and by any standards the production can only be described as magnificent. So without ignoring its faults, I believe its attributes are enough to certify "GWTW" as a true film classic, warts and all.

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Poster: tristero Date: Feb 18, 2010 12:12pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Where's 'I Eat Your Skin'

I've only been able to sit through GWTW in its entirety once, yet I'll never get tired of, say, PLAN 9 FROM OUTER SPACE.

So, by that standard at least, which is the better film?

'nuff said.

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or Staffpicfixer Date: Feb 19, 2010 12:02am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Where's 'I Eat Your Skin'

Well, maybe just a little more can be said. If I make a list of great films and a second list of favorite films; and then compare the two, they won't always agree. There are films I acknowledge as significant and even landmark achievements that aren't my favorites and probably won't watch again. Conversely I have favorite movies that can't by any stretch of the imagination be called great, like "Hollywood Chainsaw Hookers." Another example is I find it difficult to sit through any martial arts flick, yet I readily admit to having seen a few that were exceptionally well done. They're just not for me. When it comes to personal preferences great doesn't always equal favorite.

BTW, I love "Plan 9" too. I can't count the number of times I've watched it from Criswell to Criswell. I recently posted a review for it that I hope you'll get a chance to read.

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Poster: tristero Date: Feb 19, 2010 11:46am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Where's 'I Eat Your Skin'

"Well, maybe just a little more can be said".

...and you nailed it perfectly. Another way to look at it is via a food analogy: Plan 9 and Citizen Kane can co-exist happily in the same diet, even if the one is comfort food and the other a gourmet meal. My two lists (greats and personal favorites) definitely do not coincide 100%, although the question, "Does the film stand up to multiple viewings?" probably would be answered yes for all of the entries on both lists, albeit for different reasons.

But there are always outliers: I can think a few movies that I do think achieve a kind of greatness even though I emphatically DO NOT want to see them more than once (Recently saw the Michael Haneke film Funny Games. A great film - in its way - yet having seen it, I wish I could un-see it!)

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Poster: cosmico Date: Feb 19, 2010 12:52pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Where's 'I Eat Your Skin'

Personally, I have no use for "big studio" films at all, regardless of the era. No-budget independent films are always (to me) more interesting, experimental, unusual and fun. An example of some films I enjoy watching over and over are Beast of Yucca Flats, Mesa of Lost Women, Plan 9, In the Year 2889, and many others.

One of my recent purchases that I find impressive for the time and budget is William Mishkin's Violated (1953). Another cool find is Bob Berry's House of Dreams (1962).

Gone with the Wind, Citizen Kane, The Godfather, the Third Man, all those films that people consider "the greats" bore me to tears. Give me Larry Buchanan, Ed Wood, Coleman Francis, Ted Mikels, Ray Steckler, or Andy Milligan anyday.

There are NO bad films, just ones we don't like. It's all subjective. Bottom line: ALL film is art.

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Poster: tristero Date: Feb 19, 2010 6:08pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Where's 'I Eat Your Skin'

The no-budget films and filmmakers you named all have this ability to hook into the pleasure centers of my brain on a level I can't even pretend to fully understand, and that few mainstream Hollywood films can duplicate. It's almost more of a religious than aesthetic experience. The Church of the Curse of Bigfoot.

Mesa of Lost Women: that's the film that finally exhausted my wife's tolerance of my love of this stuff. The soundtrack - that incessant guitar strumming and those jarring piano chords - the same one Ed Wood used in Jail Bait but at least Ed had the mercy to turn the sound level down a bit, it literally drove her from the room, and when I kept watching, she got mad at me!

Nevertheless, there needs to be more Ron Ormond here.

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Poster: cosmico Date: Feb 19, 2010 6:52pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Where's 'I Eat Your Skin'

Guaranteed my wife will fall asleep within 10 minutes anytime I try to show her a film by one of the Masters of B-Cinema (Wood, Buchanan, Francis, et al). Hm. I'm getting a craving for Night Train to Mundo Fine. She's gonna kill me...

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Poster: phlogiston13 Date: Feb 18, 2010 4:09pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Where's 'I Eat Your Skin'

That is the only standard by which a movie should be judged, did i enjoy it/ will i watch it again/. These are realy the only standards that count. the films pedigree is immaterial.

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or Staffpicfixer Date: Feb 19, 2010 12:34am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Where's 'I Eat Your Skin'

"That is the only standard by which a movie should be judged, did i enjoy it/ will i watch it again/. These are realy the only standards that count. the films pedigree is immaterial."

Does this mean there are no standards, no values, other than my personal likes and dislikes? If I happen not to like "Citizen Kane," does that mean it's junk?

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Poster: phlogiston13 Date: Feb 19, 2010 2:57am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Where's 'I Eat Your Skin'

i am talking personal enjoyment here. a movie maybe a deadset gnyouine classic because of its stars,script,sfx or otherwise,but if it doesnt work for you then to you it is worthless.

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or Staffpicfixer Date: Feb 19, 2010 4:02am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Where's 'I Eat Your Skin'

"i am talking personal enjoyment here. a movie maybe a deadset gnyouine classic because of its stars,script,sfx or otherwise,but if it doesnt work for you then to you it is worthless."

Agreed!

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Poster: guyzilla Date: Feb 18, 2010 2:38am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Where's 'I Eat Your Skin'

I see someone already put up the co-feature "I Drink Your Blood". Maybe it's status should have been checked but if it's pd then that would be a good start on making one of those drive in double features I keep taling about. Just an idea.

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Poster: tristero Date: Feb 18, 2010 11:58am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Where's 'I Eat Your Skin'

I hope it is PD. I DRINK YOUR BLOOD is quickie exploitation cinema at its finest, meant to cash in on the notoriety of the Manson case, which had only just concluded. This is the film that ushered in the whole hippie death cult exploitation genre, and the fact that its partner on the original double bill is on its way is great news!

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Poster: guyzilla Date: Feb 18, 2010 5:38pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Where's 'I Eat Your Skin'

Should have it here for ya tonight or tomorrow.

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Poster: tristero Date: Feb 18, 2010 11:09pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Where's 'I Eat Your Skin'

Well, I know what I'll be doing late Saturday night. It isn't every day that an authentic early 70's grindhouse double feature comes along. Very cool!